Kuma said: wait, there is thread like that? i never know... Yeah and apparently it was the biggest wave of bans ever here hehehehehehe. Zefyris said: you mean a thread where guys would post images of sexy chicks pretending it's them? :D You just have to pretend you believe them and everything will be just fine :p. |
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Can Miyu really be liked as a person, instead of as a character who makes stuff happen? She's, like, the villain of the story. TheBrainintheJar said: People are really insecure about their sexuality and don't know how to handle it. It's especially common if you're a guy. We've been bombarded with the idea that guy's sexual intent is always hostile, so if a guy likes something HE MUST BE EVIL. Oh! This explains why people hate pedophiles, not child molesters. |
Kuma said: AnimeAddict117 said: umm... with the advance of technology and education, people getting smarter? am i expecting wrong?Welcome to the 21st century....lol what do u expect??? people change overtime.......so dont let it be a surprise or smth |
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flannan said: Can Miyu really be liked as a person, instead of as a character who makes stuff happen? She's, like, the villain of the story. she's voiced by one of the best seiyuu out there, so obviously everything is in order, and she's likeable no matter if she's a villain or not :p. And in a slice of life you don't really have a villain or someone who make 'stuff happen" anyway x). |
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Clebardman said: i kinda hope ever see that... must be in casual discussion, which i avoided since the first i know this site....Kuma said: wait, there is thread like that? i never know... Yeah and apparently it was the biggest wave of bans ever here hehehehehehe. AnimeAddict117 said: Kuma said: umm... with the advance of technology and education, people getting smarter? am i expecting wrong? people change overtime.......so dont let it be a surprise or smth i don't even surprised.. but just why? MindForged said: I've participated in a number of threads covering this sort of topic lately, so I feel I'm being redundant in doing so again. In short, I don't think you can really fully separate what sexually attracts you in an anime character, and what sexually attracts you in real life. As a brief example, in the previous thread I was in on this topic, one user said that they like loli and that they don't think there is anything wrong with fapping to pictures of naked children. 😖 again.. i am not talking about fans and people who watch it, i am talking about series or character in series and the way people judge it.... |
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flannan said: Can Miyu really be liked as a person, instead of as a character who makes stuff happen? She's, like, the villain of the story. As a child, Miyu will be easily liked, I mean all child are like that right? Adorable, mischievous and innocent... Yeah, those eyes, gleaming with not a single knowledge about the real world... Although, if you ask me, Miyu, in real life scenerio is just a snotty brat who's been spoiled real good... And, I'd agree that she's like the "villian" of the story, but it always happens in a funny way, so... Nothing really matters, I find all of the characters cute... Kruszer said: Maybe they took a psychology course or something. Mhhh... The effects psychological effects of fapping to nonexistence character... Mhhh... I like Dopamine and "they" provide plenty... |
Kuma said: guys, just because they like something, doesn't mean they want fuck it... WTH? i love moe, i love kids in anime, i found cute things are cute... but doesn't mean i want to have sex with it... so does character in series... so i don't understant how some series/character in series oftenly got this insult when it has nothing to do with it as long you are the one that not make it so. Many seemingly innocuous moe and "cute girls doing cute things" shows are purposefully designed around the assumption that the viewer (whether they're conscious of it or not) does want to have sex with one of the characters. Moe is often characterized as being a successful phenomenon at least partially because it's loaded with content crafted to prey on certain aspects of male psychosexuality (see Clannad, etc). So, while you didn't mention a specific anime, and generalizations are destined to be wrong in at least some cases, I could hardly blame anyone for leveling that "insult" at the general idea of moe. Anime is both a business and an artistic medium, and it's outright naive to believe that the products of either businesses or artists are organically presented to you and that their content is only "what you make it." Of course there are going to be undertones in them. Whether those undertones were perceived by you and whether they affected your impression of a specific show? Nobody can really say for sure, so I dunno how much attention I'd pay to anyone calling you out about liking cute girls doing cute things, and I understand your frustration about other people reducing your genuine enjoyment of something to "lol he wants to fuck cartoons," but you should at least be somewhat aware of the context surrounding what you're staring at. |
mahoganycowSep 25, 2016 6:56 PM
mahoganycow said: the problem is we don't know anything about the except the author said so... and i don't think any author want to be frontal about it except some manga author purposefully make doujin out of his own series, which very rare case, like cool-kyu-shinja... let aside moe, even plenty ecchi series writen by stright female... so "want to have sex" hass no base other than blurry assumption and fallacies by it self especially when you critic a series... kodomo no jikan for example...Kuma said: guys, just because they like something, doesn't mean they want fuck it... WTH? i love moe, i love kids in anime, i found cute things are cute... but doesn't mean i want to have sex with it... so does character in series... so i don't understant how some series/character in series oftenly got this insult when it has nothing to do with it as long you are the one that not make it so. Many seemingly innocuous moe and "cute girls doing cute things" shows are purposefully designed around the assumption that the viewer (whether they're conscious of it or not) does want to have sex with one of the characters. mahoganycow said: anime is idealized medium to begin with... and it's not special with moe... EVERYTHING is idealized to make it more appeal to viewer... Moe is often characterized as being a successful phenomenon at least partially because it's loaded with content crafted to prey on certain aspects of male psychosexuality (see Clannad, etc). since it's also here, can we talking about shoujo stereotype? does that every men always created like female reader want to have sex with it? and every relationship in series alwasy about womenized male character when it manga reader imagine have sex with it when being abused, so every character on it is unrealistic? that kind of critics is absurd as fuck... mahoganycow said: except i already give my example... So, while you didn't mention a specific anime, and generalizations are destined to be wrong in at least some cases, I could hardly blame anyone for leveling that "insult" at the general idea of moe. Kuma said: Valenthius said: if you talking about ecchi with lolicon in it, that's fine... but when it starting to spawn in series that has 0 sexual intent, just normal relationship between adult and minors, that's starting to get annoying... (i starting make this thread because reading some disgusting coment in shirogane no nina)I think this topic is mostly about people being called pedos for liking loli and therefore another loli topic. These are getting sneakier and sneakier. did people can't differentiate many kind relationship anymore? will every relationship will generelized as sex partner? mahoganycow said: the problem is when those undertones is not more than your own dellusion filtered view, and they are the one that doesn't look at context and jumping to "have sex" assumption...Anime is both a business and an artistic medium, and it's outright naive to believe that the products of either businesses or artists are organically presented to you and that their content is only "what you make it." Of course there are going to be undertones in them. Whether those undertones were perceived by you and whether they affected your impression of a specific show? Nobody can really say for sure, so I dunno how much attention I'd pay to anyone calling you out about liking cute girls doing cute things, and I understand your frustration about other people reducing your genuine enjoyment of something to "lol he wants to fuck cartoons," but you should at least be somewhat aware of the context surrounding what you're staring at. sorry for my bad english and if there is a word that offend you btw |
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Kruszer said: Maybe they took a psychology course or something. In Freudian psychology? Maybe. (for those who didn't take any psychology courses, Freud had quite a dirty mind, and much of his work analyzes everything as some kind of sexual desire) MindForged said: I've participated in a number of threads covering this sort of topic lately, so I feel I'm being redundant in doing so again. In short, I don't think you can really fully separate what sexually attracts you in an anime character, and what sexually attracts you in real life. As a brief example, in the previous thread I was in on this topic, one user said that they like loli and that they don't think there is anything wrong with fapping to pictures of naked children. 😖 Hello there. Yes, as an anime fan who likes lolis (both in the "she's so cute!" meaning, and in the "this H-doujin is so hot!" meaning), I had to think (and research) about questions like child porn, pedophilia and child sexual abuse. My answers to many questions are unconventional (and I am very much against groupthink), so there is no surprise many people disagree with my answers to these questions. Here, have some numbers to think about: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Abnormality Kuma said: mahoganycow said: the problem is when those undertones is not more than your own dellusion filtered view, and they are the one that doesn't look at context and jumping to "have sex" assumption...Anime is both a business and an artistic medium, and it's outright naive to believe that the products of either businesses or artists are organically presented to you and that their content is only "what you make it." Of course there are going to be undertones in them. Whether those undertones were perceived by you and whether they affected your impression of a specific show? Nobody can really say for sure, so I dunno how much attention I'd pay to anyone calling you out about liking cute girls doing cute things, and I understand your frustration about other people reducing your genuine enjoyment of something to "lol he wants to fuck cartoons," but you should at least be somewhat aware of the context surrounding what you're staring at. The problem is, there is a dozen reasons one can watch a cute girls doing cute things show. But a some people seem to fixate on sexual attraction to the characters. |
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"We don't know anything except what the author said" makes fiction sound deceptively simple. Fiction can, again, be laden with subtext, i.e. themes or ideas which the author is trying to convey without saying them directly. Surely you understand that an author can set out to make a work with the intent to, say, make you cry without actually including a panel that says "this part is sad. You should begin crying now," no? So what prevents you from admitting that an author could set out to make a work with the intent to have it subtly appeal to sexuality even if it doesn't explicitly contain sex or a disclaimer reading "you should wank to this?" no base other than blurry assumption and fallacies by it self especially when you critic a series... kodomo no jikan for example... I specifically said that I was generalizing and that my statement does not apply to every series which could conceivably be labeled "moe," and, even if I hadn't, it should pretty much go without saying that every work of fiction is to be judged on its own merit. anime is idealized medium to begin with... and it's not special with moe... EVERYTHING is idealized to make it more appeal to viewer... I didn't say moe is "idealized," although that's also true. Idealized is "that woman's boobs could not actually exist." Moe as a phenomenon is rooted in psychology that extends wayyyyy beyond that, like "men have a psychological urge to both nurture and destroy perceived innocence, so they'll get double the mileage out of a character whose innocence they can vicariously cultivate while they're onscreen but whom they can imagine themselves fucking later." Again, I clearly am not saying that everyone who ever authored or enjoyed moe did so for such a reason, as that would be dumb. Yet ignoring the possibility that some moe functions because of devices like these is just willful ignorance. except i already give my example... Sorry, that's definitely my bad. I don't always read every reply and sometimes just speak directly to the original post. I haven't seen that series, so I can't comment on that particular situation. the problem is when those undertones is not more than your own dellusion filtered view, and they are the one that doesn't look at context and jumping to "have sex" assumption... It is a real problem when people make cursory assumptions that lead them to conclusions which are, as you say, based in delusion. People may or not be making that mistake with specific moe series. But you don't have the authority to state that everyone else is always just being delusional and your point of view vis-a-vis sexuality in moe is always the correct one in any given scenario. sorry for my bad english and if there is a word that offend you btw Your English is passable :) MAL has lots of participants who use English as a second or third language (and lots of native English speakers who aren't great at it). Plus, I can be a little long-winded, so I'm sure it's not easy for you to read all of this crap either. Lastly, I wouldn't say I was "offended" by anything you said, but you seem to have a really defensive and, if I can speak plainly, bad attitude in general. It's understandable when people are saying insulting things about you, but not only did I not say anything insulting about you, I told you that the people who were insulting you were being silly and that at least some of your frustrations were valid. I made observations, not value judgments, and spoke in pretty general terms which should have made it clear that I was just speaking my piece about moe, not going after you or any specific thing that you like. Heck, I didn't even say "sexual undertones in moe are bad," I just said "some moe has sexual undertones and it couldn't hurt to be aware of that." Yet you still managed to be kinda cagey and sarcastic in your response. I've nothing against you, in fact I rather appreciate your reply, it's just that unwarranted defensiveness is not a good look on anybody. If you actually care about communicating with people (which I can only assume you do, since you made this topic) you should maybe check your tone a little bit. Sorry if I can be a little curt myself at times; I am just trying to articulate myself as well as possible, and I intend no harm. Peace! |
mahoganycowSep 26, 2016 8:55 AM
flannan said: Can Miyu really be liked as a person, instead of as a character who makes stuff happen? She's, like, the villain of the story. TheBrainintheJar said: People are really insecure about their sexuality and don't know how to handle it. It's especially common if you're a guy. We've been bombarded with the idea that guy's sexual intent is always hostile, so if a guy likes something HE MUST BE EVIL. Oh! This explains why people hate pedophiles, not child molesters. The fact we already hate pedophiles before they do something speaks volume of our fear. |
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flannan said: you can like cute things whatever reason you have, but if it's innapoipriate, you can save it your self... the problem is when you judge dislike a series, and using sexual sensitivity to justify it when it exagrating and unproven...Kuma said: the problem is when those undertones is not more than your own dellusion filtered view, and they are the one that doesn't look at context and jumping to "have sex" assumption... The problem is, there is a dozen reasons one can watch a cute girls doing cute things show. But a some people seem to fixate on sexual attraction to the characters. mahoganycow said: okay, i admit i kinda being too devensive in this... my point is that there is no sexual intent in some series except people make it out to be, who ironicaly not fans, but haters who make it.. they said things like this when many people don't feel it and the author not saying something... sure i agree to what you said, but my problem is when people try to convice something that not even author clarify have intent to do so.. (reading them to deep, in negative ways)..."We don't know anything except what the author said" makes fiction sound deceptively simple. Fiction can, again, be laden with subtext, i.e. themes or ideas which the author is trying to convey without saying them directly. Surely you understand that an author can set out to make a work with the intent to, say, make you cry without actually including a panel that says "this part is sad. You should begin crying now," no? So what prevents you from admitting that an author could set out to make a work with the intent to have it subtly appeal to sexuality even if it doesn't explicitly contain sex or a disclaimer reading "you should wank to this?" mahoganycow said: i don't deny that things like this exist... it's does ignorant to say that... but i have to clarify that what i am talking in here is the way people critic a series, not the fans it self... judging a series because the fans is already stupid enough IMHO... some moe does cater to people like this... but does every cute series cater to people like that? does it's always need to make in sexual way? so series like this always has sexual intent in it? that's the problem... every cute series started to generelize this way which is not less ignorant... I specifically said that I was generalizing and that my statement does not apply to every series which could conceivably be labeled "moe," and, even if I hadn't, it should pretty much go without saying that every work of fiction is to be judged on its own merit. I didn't say moe is "idealized," although that's also true. Idealized is "that woman's boobs could not actually exist." Moe as a phenomenon is rooted in psychology that extends wayyyyy beyond that, like "men have a psychological urge to both nurture and destroy perceived innocence, so they'll get double the mileage out of a character whose innocence they can vicariously cultivate while they're onscreen but whom they can imagine themselves fucking later." Again, I clearly am not saying that everyone who ever authored or enjoyed moe did so for such a reason, as that would be dumb. Yet ignoring the possibility that some moe functions because of devices like these is just willful ignorance. It is a real problem when people make cursory assumptions that lead them to conclusions which are, as you say, based in delusion. People may or not be making that mistake with specific moe series. But you don't have the authority to state that everyone else is always just being delusional and your point of view vis-a-vis sexuality in moe is always the correct one in any given scenario. mahoganycow said: Your English is passable :) MAL has lots of participants who use English as a second or third language (and lots of native English speakers who aren't great at it). Plus, I can be a little long-winded, so I'm sure it's not easy for you to read all of this crap either. Lastly, I wouldn't say I was "offended" by anything you said, but you seem to have a really defensive and, if I can speak plainly, bad attitude in general. It's understandable when people are saying insulting things about you, but not only did I not say anything insulting about you, I told you that the people who were insulting you were being silly and that at least some of your frustrations were valid. I made observations, not value judgments, and spoke in pretty general terms which should have made it clear that I was just speaking my piece about moe, not going after you or any specific thing that you like. Heck, I didn't even say "sexual undertones in moe are bad," I just said "some moe has sexual undertones and it couldn't hurt to be aware of that." Yet you still managed to be kinda cagey and sarcastic in your response. I've nothing against you, in fact I rather appreciate your reply, it's just that unwarranted defensiveness is not a good look on anybody. If you actually care about communicating with people (which I can only assume you do, since you made this topic) you should maybe check your tone a little bit. Sorry if I can be a little curt myself at times; I am just trying to articulate myself as well as possible, and I intend no harm. Peace! thank you for your appreciation and sorry if i am being too devensive, i just don't know how to discuss in english forum... and TBH i am not even offended... i just don't understand why? what happened? did people only think everything correlated with lust? every relationship always has sexual goal? that's even more fucked up if you correlated it with real life because this does happened in real life..... Offensively said: i should rethink my choice to having kids, becuase loving kids is make me pedophile now...People are inherently horny and this ain't just happening for anime. |
KumaSep 26, 2016 10:26 AM
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| Because sex sells, that's the truth EDIT: well I guess I could very well be wrong. My guess would be the culture is entirely different when it comes to nudity and sexual censorship. It's very strange. |
AngeryBlueBerrySep 26, 2016 10:22 AM
blu3_puls3 said: Because sex sells, that's the truth Most ecchi and moe don't sell well so it's not that :( |
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blu3_puls3 said: looking how poor ecchi sold each season, you should rethink your though...Because sex sells, that's the truth |
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ichii_1 said: Hmmmmm......well even if it doesn't sell japan's culture is very different when it comes to sexual censorship. They basically welcome it and don't care much when say in the United States everyone is like OMG thats sexist or something like that.blu3_puls3 said: Because sex sells, that's the truth Most ecchi and moe don't sell well so it's not that :( |
Kuma said: i love moe, i love kids in anime, i found cute things are cute... but doesn't mean i want to have sex with it... Definition of "love": an intense feeling of deep affection  |
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OneNaughtyBear said: Kuma said: i love moe, i love kids in anime, i found cute things are cute... but doesn't mean i want to have sex with it... Definition of "love": an intense feeling of deep affection Definisi love nomina an intense feeling of deep affection. "babies fill parents with intense feelings of love" so, love is sexual lust now? what is love? |
KumaSep 26, 2016 10:39 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| but unless you are an asexual, you will think about things from a do "I want to fuck it" perspective. And well........ thats it, |
Kuma said: what happened? did people only think everything correlated with lust? every relationship always has sexual goal? that's even more fucked up if you correlated it with real life because this does happened in real life..... I agree. That's why I think we should point out instances where this legitimately occurs in fiction: because its popularity perpetuates the idea that such attitudes are okay when in reality they're shitty and destructive. You're right that not every series has some kind of sexual intent, though, and wrongfully criticizing a given series for that reason is just as bad as wrongfully criticizing it for any other reason. Thanks for the discussion, it was fun. |
| It's like this because the concept of moe and having this nurturing feeling towards something while still not wanting to do anything sexual with it is pretty much unheard of outside of anime and other things in Japan. |
| "Moe has nothing to do with sexuality! I just love cute things!" >show with cute boys instead of cute girls "Man wtf is this gay fujoshi shit wtf I'm not gay dropped 1/10 what the fuck" |
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KuroudoAkabane said: i am not asexual, i read loli doujin from time to time (but that's not my fetish, my fetish is another but sometimes have loli's in it, and i have pretty wide range for visual appereance so i don't mind, age is only numbers in fiction anyways), and i does think of it.. but the series it self and what it tell is not and i can differentiate it... so, i don't understand why they critize it based their imagination and blamming the series for it...but unless you are an asexual, you will think about things from a do "I want to fuck it" perspective. And well........ thats it, mahoganycow said: just as soon as i reply to yours, look some post above, lOl...Kuma said: what happened? did people only think everything correlated with lust? every relationship always has sexual goal? that's even more fucked up if you correlated it with real life because this does happened in real life..... I agree. That's why I think we should point out instances where this legitimately occurs in fiction: because its popularity perpetuates the idea that such attitudes are okay when in reality they're shitty and destructive. You're right that not every series has some kind of sexual intent, though, and wrongfully criticizing a given series for that reason is just as bad as wrongfully criticizing it for any other reason. Thanks for the discussion, it was fun. well... you're welcome.. CrashD said: it's just like the way you love kids, pets, your family etc... HOW IS THIS NOT COMMON? wait, what?It's like this because the concept of moe and having this nurturing feeling towards something while still not wanting to do anything sexual with it is pretty much unheard of outside of anime and other things in Japan. Red_Keys said: thank you from bringing bromance to the tabble as well... i kinda reluctant to bring this to the tabble since i am not really fans of it.. i don't understand how everyone screeming "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY" when it's just your usual relationship, and this is ironicaly also has really strong base... much stronger than moe haters...."Moe has nothing to do with sexuality! I just love cute things!" >show with cute boys instead of cute girls "Man wtf is this gay fujoshi shit wtf I'm not gay dropped 1/10 what the fuck" |
KumaSep 26, 2016 11:06 AM
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Kuma said: See! thats it exactly.KuroudoAkabane said: i am not asexual, i read loli doujin from time to time (but that's not my fetish, my fetish is another but sometimes have loli's in it, and i have pretty wide range for visual appereance so i don't mind, age is only numbers in fiction anyways), and i does think of it.. but the series it self and what it tell is not and i can differentiate it... so, i don't understand why they critize it based their imagination and blamming the series for it....but unless you are an asexual, you will think about things from a do "I want to fuck it" perspective. And well........ thats it, they havent read that or seen that anime. all they know bcoz you said it yourself, it has lil girls in it. And the pppl who critisize are all fucked up in their own heads. and closet pedos. so all they see is that. and its their own shame that compels to say something against it. you get criticized and called a pedo bcoz those ppl think everyone who watches lil girls is a pedo, like themselves. or they are just trolling/baiting you to rile you up. |
GoldNautilus said: I know its odd @Kuma but some people do just watch anime for their own sexual/romantic gratification. I cant understand it either, probs cuz im actually autistic. Nothing against people who do this, i just find it odd to be attracted to a simulacrum of a woman instead of the real thing. I think it depends on how well your relationships with your preferred gender go. And anime girls are not only attractive physically, they have very likeable personalities too, something that is hard to find in real world. Red_Keys said: "Moe has nothing to do with sexuality! I just love cute things!" >show with cute boys instead of cute girls "Man wtf is this gay fujoshi shit wtf I'm not gay dropped 1/10 what the fuck" For best results, an anime should have both cute girls and cute boys. By the way, what anime with cute boys are you talking about? |
Kuma said: Definisi love nomina an intense feeling of deep affection. "babies fill parents with intense feelings of love" so, love is sexual lust now? what is love? Well babies are a product of "love" along with many accounts of incest involving brothers loving sisters and mothers loving sons. Don't you watch hentai? What is love? Baby don't hurt me Don't hurt me No more Said that little loli who you tried to show how much you loved them |
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Kuma said: KuroudoAkabane said: i am not asexual, i read loli doujin from time to time (but that's not my fetish, my fetish is another but sometimes have loli's in it, and i have pretty wide range for visual appereance so i don't mind, age is only numbers in fiction anyways), and i does think of it.. but the series it self and what it tell is not and i can differentiate it... so, i don't understand why they critize it based their imagination and blamming the series for it...but unless you are an asexual, you will think about things from a do "I want to fuck it" perspective. And well........ thats it, mahoganycow said: just as soon as i reply to yours, look some post above, lOl...I agree. That's why I think we should point out instances where this legitimately occurs in fiction: because its popularity perpetuates the idea that such attitudes are okay when in reality they're shitty and destructive. You're right that not every series has some kind of sexual intent, though, and wrongfully criticizing a given series for that reason is just as bad as wrongfully criticizing it for any other reason. Thanks for the discussion, it was fun. well... you're welcome.. CrashD said: it's just like the way you love kids, pets, your family etc... HOW IS THIS NOT COMMON? wait, what?It's like this because the concept of moe and having this nurturing feeling towards something while still not wanting to do anything sexual with it is pretty much unheard of outside of anime and other things in Japan. Red_Keys said: thank you from bringing bromance to the tabble as well... i kinda reluctant to bring this to the tabble since i am not really fans of it.. i don't understand how everyone screeming "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY" when it's just your usual relationship, and this is ironicaly also has really strong base... much stronger than moe haters...."Moe has nothing to do with sexuality! I just love cute things!" >show with cute boys instead of cute girls "Man wtf is this gay fujoshi shit wtf I'm not gay dropped 1/10 what the fuck" Kids, pets and family are all real things. Living, breathings things. A cartoon or video game character isn't. So it's difficult for most people to understand having a feeling of affection, both sexual and not sexual, towards something that isn't even real. |
| Most people who assert such a claim probably read a wikipedia article on psychology, or watched a few Khan Academy videos on the matter. Saying that if someone likes moe, then it's because they want to have sex with one or several of the characters (whether they know it or not) is such a gross oversimplification that it hurts. |
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CrashD said: em.. just like how we have feelings toward character in any intertainment medium?Kuma said: i am not asexual, i read loli doujin from time to time (but that's not my fetish, my fetish is another but sometimes have loli's in it, and i have pretty wide range for visual appereance so i don't mind, age is only numbers in fiction anyways), and i does think of it.. but the series it self and what it tell is not and i can differentiate it... so, i don't understand why they critize it based their imagination and blamming the series for it... just as soon as i reply to yours, look some post above, lOl... well... you're welcome.. it's just like the way you love kids, pets, your family etc... HOW IS THIS NOT COMMON? wait, what? thank you from bringing bromance to the tabble as well... i kinda reluctant to bring this to the tabble since i am not really fans of it.. i don't understand how everyone screeming "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY" when it's just your usual relationship, and this is ironicaly also has really strong base... much stronger than moe haters.... Kids, pets and family are all real things. Living, breathings things. A cartoon or video game character isn't. So it's difficult for most people to understand having a feeling of affection, both sexual and not sexual, towards something that isn't even real. |
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flannan said: Kruszer said: Maybe they took a psychology course or something. In Freudian psychology? Maybe. (for those who didn't take any psychology courses, Freud had quite a dirty mind, and much of his work analyzes everything as some kind of sexual desire) Yep. That reminds me of particular joke in Welcome to the NHK that would probably go over some people's heads if they don't have any knowledge of psychology. They would probably be wondering why Misaki is dodging the subject of interpreting Sato's dream after he describes it to her. |
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Kuma said: I don't get it neither... Nor for moe anime by the way. I guess it's just that for some people around here hormones are working quite too hard..Thank you from bringing bromance to the tabble as well... i kinda reluctant to bring this to the tabble since i am not really fans of it.. i don't understand how everyone screeming "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY" when it's just your usual relationship, and this is ironicaly also has really strong base... much stronger than moe haters.... |
Yales said: looking at your favorites, i just remember how many people screeming "GAAAAY" when shinomiya act dere towards yukihira still beyond my understood... it's just simply his character... WTH?Kuma said: I don't get it neither... Nor for moe anime by the way. I guess it's just that for some people around here hormones are working quite too hard..Thank you from bringing bromance to the tabble as well... i kinda reluctant to bring this to the tabble since i am not really fans of it.. i don't understand how everyone screeming "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY" when it's just your usual relationship, and this is ironicaly also has really strong base... much stronger than moe haters.... PoeticJustice said: that's some really sad ways to see life you have there buddy... T_TIf you are not fucking, you are getting fucked. That is all there is to it. |
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Kuma said: CrashD said: em.. just like how we have feelings toward character in any intertainment medium?Kids, pets and family are all real things. Living, breathings things. A cartoon or video game character isn't. So it's difficult for most people to understand having a feeling of affection, both sexual and not sexual, towards something that isn't even real. Explain. Not many people connect with fictional characters on that level to the point where they get near obsessive like a lot of people do with their waifus and lolis. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just saying it's not common. |
CrashD said: affection twards character is not only sexual ways... just like we adhore western animation character?Kuma said: em.. just like how we have feelings toward character in any intertainment medium? Explain. Not many people connect with fictional characters on that level to the point where they get near obsessive like a lot of people do with their waifus and lolis. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just saying it's not common. |
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Kuma said: CrashD said: affection twards character is not only sexual ways... just like we adhore western animation character?Explain. Not many people connect with fictional characters on that level to the point where they get near obsessive like a lot of people do with their waifus and lolis. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just saying it's not common. If you reread my earlier comments, I said that it's not just sexual ways. That was the whole point of my original post. |
Kuma said: CrashD said: affection twards character is not only sexual ways... just like we adhore western animation character?Explain. Not many people connect with fictional characters on that level to the point where they get near obsessive like a lot of people do with their waifus and lolis. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just saying it's not common. I assure you that people feel sexual attraction towards western cartoon characters too. Rule 34 exists for a reason. But I agree, I should not be hard for people to feel non-sexual attraction to characters - parental feelings, wanting to have a friend like that, and any other kind of feeling. |
CrashD said: but they does have, i mean, you can simply looking cartoon porn parodies...Kuma said: affection twards character is not only sexual ways... just like we adhore western animation character? If you reread my earlier comments, I said that it's not just sexual ways. That was the whole point of my original post. |
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