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===Statement by Pofka===
I strictly oppose the equating of Poland and Lithuania in this case about Lithuania's alleged collaboration with Nazi Germany and antisemitism. The allegations of "Antisemitism in Lithuania" are not possible in Lithuania's case because the Republic of Lithuania (when [[Lithuania]]'s statehood was restored with the [[Act of Independence of Lithuania]] in 1918) '''NEVER acted in an antisemitic way''' and was very tolerant towards Jewish people (there were Jewish military units, etc.), and '''NEVER collaborated with Nazi Germany'''. Actually, the Republic of Lithuania refused to collaborate with the Nazi Germany and was only blackmailed by Nazi Germany (e.g. [[1939 German ultimatum to Lithuania]]) and the Republic of Lithuania also refused to attack Poland together with Nazi Germany to recapture its historical capital [[Vilnius]] (which was previously occupied by Poland). So there was absolutely no collaboration of Lithuania (as a state) with the Nazi Germany and there was no antisemitism when the Republic of Lithuania was a functioning state (before its [[Occupation of the Baltic states|destruction by the Soviets and later Nazis]]). In comparison, Poland is totally different in this case regarding collaboration and antisemitism because part of the interwar high-ranking Polish officials (e.g. [[Roman Dmowski]], a Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland) were openly antisemites (well-known facts and verified with [[WP:RS]]). Moreover, Poland annexed [[Czechoslovakia|Czechoslovak]] territories following the [[Munich Agreement]] in 1938 (also see: [[Polish–Czechoslovak border conflicts]]). -- [[User:Pofka|<span style="color:#fdb913;"><strong>Po</strong></span><span style="color:#006a44;"><strong>fk</strong></span><span style="color:#c1272d;"><strong>a</strong></span>]] ([[User talk:Pofka|talk]]) 15:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)<br/>
{{replyto|City of Silver}} Nor Juozas Ambrazevičius, nor Petras Polekauskas were official leaders of Lithuania. [[Antanas Merkys]] is the last officially recognized leader of Lithuania (15 June 1940 – 17 June 1940). Anything that happened after Merkys resignation and until the [[Act of the Re-Establishment of the State of Lithuania]] (1990) are not connected with the State of Lithuania (legally even the [[Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic]] is not the State of Lithuania, same with the non-sovereign German occupied Lithuania because in 1990 the State of Lithuania was reestablished as a continuation of the interwar State of Lithuania, not Lithuanian SSR, etc.). The occupied State of Lithuania is not guilty for crimes which were committed by occupants and their collaborators in Lithuania's territory because it had absolutely no power to change anything, so many of the interwar State of Lithuania residents, including [[Litvaks]], badly suffered from Holocaust, [[Soviet deportations from Lithuania|Soviet deportations to Siberia]], etc. By the way, I'm not trying to deny that the [[Provisional Government of Lithuania]] and [[Lithuanian Activist Front]] collaborated with Nazi Germany (and some members of LAF indeed committed horrific crimes), but these are not officially recognized representatives of the State of Lithuania. So saying that the State of Lithuania (ruled by Merkys and earlier rulers) collaborated with Nazi Germany is in fact not correct, but there definitely were Lithuanian collaborators with Nazis who acted not as official representatives of the State of Lithuania. Do you have any [[WP:RS]] with evidence about [[Antanas Smetona]]/Antanas Merkys acts of collaboration with Nazis? Smetona was even nicknamed by his opponents as Jewish King due to his tolerant stance towards Jewish people, see: [https://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/istorija/lietuvos-lenkai-ir-zydu-karalius-antanas-smetona-582-196544 HERE]. -- [[User:Pofka|<span style="color:#fdb913;"><strong>Po</strong></span><span style="color:#006a44;"><strong>fk</strong></span><span style="color:#c1272d;"><strong>a</strong></span>]] ([[User talk:Pofka|talk]]) 16:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)<br/>
{{replyto|Ostalgia}} Hi, could you please clarify what was wrong with my statement here? Do you personally separate the '''State of Lithuania''' (official policies of the state and its leaders and its laws) from the '''Lithuanian Nazi collaborators''' (a few thousands of World War 2 criminals) or simply put a joint guilt on both? The official position of pre-[[Occupation of the Baltic states|occupation]] State of Lithuania towards Jews was: "''Smetoninėje Lietuvoje nebuvo išleistas nė vienas antižydiškas įstatymas, nė vienas ministras ar kitas aukštas pareigūnas neištarė, bent jau viešai, antižydiškos frazės.''" (English: In Smetona's Lithuania, '''{{underline|not a single anti-Jewish law was passed}}''', not a single minister or other high official uttered, at least publicly, an anti-Jewish phrase; [https://etalpykla.lituanistika.lt/fedora/objects/LT-LDB-0001:J.04~2004~1367166117017/datastreams/DS.002.0.01.ARTIC/content scientific source], p. 69). Do you want to put guilt on the State of Lithuania for war criminals (e.g. Petras Polekauskas) who served NOT for the State of Lithuania, but for the Nazi Germany when sovereign State of Lithuania no longer existed? Such accusations would not comply with [[WP:NPOV]]. Such war criminal as Polekauskas is obviously already covered by restrictions per Nazi Germany (as its collaborator). So unless {{ping|City of Silver}}, @Ostalgia or any other user provides evidence with [[WP:RS]] how pre-occupation State of Lithuania (ruled by Presidents [[Antanas Smetona]], [[Aleksandras Stulginskis]], [[Kazys Grinius]]) acted in an anti-Jewish way by collaborating with Nazi Germany, we cannot proceed with conclusions that ''Lithuania collaborated with Nazi Germany'' and to put restrictions on all Lithuanian topics. -- [[User:Pofka|<span style="color:#fdb913;"><strong>Po</strong></span><span style="color:#006a44;"><strong>fk</strong></span><span style="color:#c1272d;"><strong>a</strong></span>]] ([[User talk:Pofka|talk]]) 20:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
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