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Aug 8, 2018 9:40 AM
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Damn what an episode, really shame she got shot and killed like that! She was really a great character, shame for the loss to be honest! That ending was also completely insane! Really do wonder what will happen next though! Up to the next episode.
Aug 8, 2018 10:24 PM
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I've been wanting to talk about this episode for a while now but the forums were down. It was incredible everything from how they killed her off without warning to rage filled Sousuke going rogue and taking on so many arm slaves by himself to the final confrontation in his hunt for Kurama. I like how Kurama even killed some of the french agents before injured Sousuke was able to kill him. Kurama's death itself was great as well, one of the best FMP episodes ever.
Aug 9, 2018 1:06 AM
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I have rewatched this episode so many times since it first aired. It is easily the best FMP episode I've seen. So powerful and emotional. Especially the ending where Sousuke is close to passing out from blood loss and sees Chidori in his vision. It was masterfully done.
Aug 9, 2018 3:09 AM
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This epsiode has many problems but as expected most people either don't see them or ignore them because "Action scenes are great " and "Sousuke is so cool". Let's talk about those problems, shall we?

First of all, let's talk about Nami's death which served no purpose other than the shock value due to her similarity to Chidori and her intimacy with Sousuke . We learned that Nami was one of the whispered just a little before her death which was a cheap plot device to make her look more like a Chidori replacement. I mean what's the point of making her whispered if she will die an hour later. She could have been just shown to be a genius with computers and calculations without being whispered. The other problem with her death that we clearly see Kurama shooting her multiple times yet when she falls down we see there is only one bullet hole on her body. Shooting the same hole is an impossible feat, so it's an absurd scene.

Now, let's talk about that AS battle. The presence of plot armor is deeply felt during that battle as no matter how talented Sousuke is he has zero chance to face that many AS' and win without a gun while using a battered an AS from a previous fight. This is especially obvious from that scene where he lucks out an attack from behind. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Another problem with this battle is the lack of reaction from collateral damage. We see the nearby buildings getting riddled with bullets due to Sousuke's actions and even some of them getting wrecked because of AS' falling on them yet we see or hear no one screaming, dying or trying to run away . As I said before, all because of plot armor.

Finally, let's talk about the final gunfight with Kurama. The first thing that annoyed me with this scene was the visibly dropping quality of animation. It was especially obvious when Sousuke takes cover and shoots others. Another glaring problem is the trick Sousuke used in order to beat Kuroma. There is simply no way an experienced and battle trained professional like Kuroma would fall for such a cheap trick when us, the viewers, saw it from miles away. Furthermore, there is no way after getting that badly wounded Sousuke would have enough time or strength to prepare such a trick while crawling around. Again, plot armor at work.

All in all these are my criticisms and thoughts regarding this episode. Now you can go back to talking how cool it was and how Sousuke is such a GAR character.
bisikerimAug 9, 2018 10:32 AM
Aug 9, 2018 10:52 AM
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bisikerim said:
This epsiode has many problems but as expected most people either don't see them or ignore them because "Action scenes are great " and "Sousuke is so cool". Let's talk about those problems, shall we?

First of all, let's talk about Nami's death which served no purpose other than the shock value due to her similarity to Chidori and her intimacy with Sousuke . We learned that Nami was one of the whispered just a little before her death which was a cheap plot device to make her look more like a Chidori replacement. I mean what's the point of making her whispered if she will die an hour later. She could have been just shown to be a genius with computers and calculations without being whispered. The other problem with her death that we clearly see Kurama shooting her multiple times yet when she falls down we see there is only one bullet hole on her body. Shooting the same hole is an impossible feat, so it's an absurd scene.

Now, let's talk about that AS battle. The presence of plot armor is deeply felt during that battle as no matter how talented Sousuke is he has zero chance to face that many AS' and win without a gun while using a battered an AS from a previous fight. This is especially obvious from that scene where he lucks out an attack from behind. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Another problem with this battle is the lack of reaction from collateral damage. We see the nearby buildings getting riddled with bullets due to Sousuke's actions and even some of them getting wrecked because of AS' falling on them yet we see or hear no one screaming, dying or trying to run away . As I said before, all because of plot armor.

Finally, let's talk about the final gunfight with Kurama. The first thing that annoyed me with this scene was the visibly dropping quality of animation. It was especially obvious when Sousuke takes cover and shoots others. Another glaring problem is the trick Sousuke used in order to beat Kuroma. There is simply no way an experienced and battle trained professional like Kuroma would fall for such a cheap trick when us, the viewers, saw it from miles away. Furthermore, there is no way after getting that badly wounded Sousuke would have enough time or strength to prepare such a trick while crawling around. Again, plot armor at work.

All in all these are my criticisms and thoughts regarding this episode. Now you can go back to talking how cool it was and how Sousuke is such a GAR character.


Heh, you sound really salty for some reason. FMP has always had plot conveniences and Sousuke has always had plot armor in every season so don't know why you're complaining now. Those are all nitpicks. The core content of this episode, namely being Sousuke's rampage through Namsac and his confrontation with Kurama who is his foil was good and adapted that part of the light novels well.
Aug 9, 2018 10:54 AM
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Sterben0022 said:
bisikerim said:
This epsiode has many problems but as expected most people either don't see them or ignore them because "Action scenes are great " and "Sousuke is so cool". Let's talk about those problems, shall we?

First of all, let's talk about Nami's death which served no purpose other than the shock value due to her similarity to Chidori and her intimacy with Sousuke . We learned that Nami was one of the whispered just a little before her death which was a cheap plot device to make her look more like a Chidori replacement. I mean what's the point of making her whispered if she will die an hour later. She could have been just shown to be a genius with computers and calculations without being whispered. The other problem with her death that we clearly see Kurama shooting her multiple times yet when she falls down we see there is only one bullet hole on her body. Shooting the same hole is an impossible feat, so it's an absurd scene.

Now, let's talk about that AS battle. The presence of plot armor is deeply felt during that battle as no matter how talented Sousuke is he has zero chance to face that many AS' and win without a gun while using a battered an AS from a previous fight. This is especially obvious from that scene where he lucks out an attack from behind. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Another problem with this battle is the lack of reaction from collateral damage. We see the nearby buildings getting riddled with bullets due to Sousuke's actions and even some of them getting wrecked because of AS' falling on them yet we see or hear no one screaming, dying or trying to run away . As I said before, all because of plot armor.

Finally, let's talk about the final gunfight with Kurama. The first thing that annoyed me with this scene was the visibly dropping quality of animation. It was especially obvious when Sousuke takes cover and shoots others. Another glaring problem is the trick Sousuke used in order to beat Kuroma. There is simply no way an experienced and battle trained professional like Kuroma would fall for such a cheap trick when us, the viewers, saw it from miles away. Furthermore, there is no way after getting that badly wounded Sousuke would have enough time or strength to prepare such a trick while crawling around. Again, plot armor at work.

All in all these are my criticisms and thoughts regarding this episode. Now you can go back to talking how cool it was and how Sousuke is such a GAR character.


Heh, you sound really salty for some reason. FMP has always had plot conveniences and Sousuke has always had plot armor in every season so don't know why you're complaining now. Those are all nitpicks. The core content of this episode, namely being Sousuke's rampage through Namsac and his confrontation with Kurama who is his foil was good and adapted that part of the light novels well.


Hey, if you enjoy being a fmpwhore who likes to be ignorant to the facts and swallow whatever is shown, then so be it . It's just some of us actually like to use our brains while watching something, unlike certain people. :):)
bisikerimAug 9, 2018 11:01 AM
Aug 9, 2018 11:07 AM
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bisikerim said:
Sterben0022 said:


Heh, you sound really salty for some reason. FMP has always had plot conveniences and Sousuke has always had plot armor in every season so don't know why you're complaining now. Those are all nitpicks. The core content of this episode, namely being Sousuke's rampage through Namsac and his confrontation with Kurama who is his foil was good and adapted that part of the light novels well.


Hey, if you enjoy being a fmpwhore who likes to be ignorant to the facts and swallow whatever is shown, then so be it . It's just some of us actually like to use our brains while watching something, unlike certain people. :):)


I think you might be watching the wrong series then. Like I said every season has had these problems. It's pretty sad if you cannot enjoy or appreciate the episode because of such small, unimportant details.
Aug 9, 2018 11:19 AM
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Sterben0022 said:
bisikerim said:


Hey, if you enjoy being a fmpwhore who likes to be ignorant to the facts and swallow whatever is shown, then so be it . It's just some of us actually like to use our brains while watching something, unlike certain people. :):)


I think you might be watching the wrong series then. Like I said every season has had these problems. It's pretty sad if you cannot enjoy or appreciate the episode because of such small, unimportant details.


You either didn't read my post at all or just too ignorant and thus refer to the glaring mistakes I listed as "such small, unimportant details". FMP has never been a great franchise but that's not an excuse for the inconsistent quality of this cour. Of course I don't expect you to understand it since you simply don't see the flaws in it.
Aug 9, 2018 11:27 AM
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bisikerim said:
Sterben0022 said:


I think you might be watching the wrong series then. Like I said every season has had these problems. It's pretty sad if you cannot enjoy or appreciate the episode because of such small, unimportant details.


You either didn't read my post at all or just too ignorant and thus refer to the glaring mistakes I listed as "such small, unimportant details". FMP has never been a great franchise but that's not an excuse for the inconsistent quality of this cour. Of course I don't expect you to understand it since you simply don't see the flaws in it.


No I read your post alright. And I do see the flaws when you use logical reasoning but the point is it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. It doesn't impact the story beats or character moments which is really what the episode is trying to get across. You are being ignorant and using small things to say the episode is bad when you're ignoring the real substance, the human drama. FMP is like a B-movie, cliche action story. It has always been that way and always uses those cliches like plot armor and convenience. It's something you should simply be used to now. I don't know why you even bothered to watch this season let alone get past the first few seasons with how fixated you seem to be on these kind of things.
Aug 10, 2018 11:06 AM

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Hate that she died. She seemed well liked and was clearly falling for our main character.

Aug 21, 2018 12:20 AM

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Really depressing episode. I accidentally clicked a spoiler in the previous episode threads about it. hoping it wouldn't happen. Sadly, it did. I really liked her. She was cute. And possibly also a whisper just like Chidori and Tessa. The fight against all ten mechs until fighting Kurama was intense. Glad he killed that sonovabitch down and got revenge. Amalgam needs to die.

RIP Nami. :(
Sep 11, 2018 5:30 PM

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It's a shame for Nami :'(
FMP is old Tessa&Chidori too, then she was my favorite girl of FMP at this moment, it was rude...
Sep 28, 2018 6:49 PM
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I felt sorry for Nami too. She was a good supporting character - cheery, likeable and didn't back out when Sousuke asked for her help. Sadly that was the death flag raised so was expecting it to happen. Such a sad way to go though :(
Nov 26, 2018 6:26 AM

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Sterben0022 said:
bisikerim said:


You either didn't read my post at all or just too ignorant and thus refer to the glaring mistakes I listed as "such small, unimportant details". FMP has never been a great franchise but that's not an excuse for the inconsistent quality of this cour. Of course I don't expect you to understand it since you simply don't see the flaws in it.


No I read your post alright. And I do see the flaws when you use logical reasoning but the point is it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. It doesn't impact the story beats or character moments which is really what the episode is trying to get across. You are being ignorant and using small things to say the episode is bad when you're ignoring the real substance, the human drama. FMP is like a B-movie, cliche action story. It has always been that way and always uses those cliches like plot armor and convenience. It's something you should simply be used to now. I don't know why you even bothered to watch this season let alone get past the first few seasons with how fixated you seem to be on these kind of things.


Well, if we are here because of nitpicking, I am strongly offense by M4 having AK safety.
Nov 26, 2018 6:32 AM

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I had to watch this episode two times because it was full of emotions. Nami's death, who I really like even though her short screentime. Full of AS combat even though it's as far from realistic fight it can be, but which I do not see very often and I like mech battles. And battle with 3rd Villain (I seriously don't remember anyone from Gauron) Who was kinda neutral guy, he had some decency in him. Even though I never forgive that bastard he killed Nami, he was even sorry about that, disgust by himself and in the end he gave Sousuke some enemy location he knew of. And Lemon French 007 saved Sousuke ass. It was wonderful idea to mix politics to the story, French special forces fighting Amalgam as well.

Yeah, I kinda like this episode.
Dec 10, 2018 4:38 PM

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Having read the novel...I was sad before the "event" even happened... Her death took me weeks to get through back when the novel was translated...
I still do prefer Chidori in a lot of ways...but that was heart wrenching...
Dec 16, 2018 8:48 PM

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If they were going to kill Nami they shouldn't have made her so likeable. In fact she was the best girl. They could have made her fat, short-haired or something else. Or with a terminal illness, a common anime approach. But as she was she was a prime girl candidate or harem candidate.
Jan 5, 2019 9:26 AM
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Wow, what an episode! Tension and non-stop action. The death of Nami just did not expect, while Sosuke reconfirms a great character!
Jan 15, 2019 8:30 AM

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What ... the ... FCK
Poor Nami :/
Lmao the Police Chef's death, well deserved!
The casual pass to the side of the grenade

Aug 14, 2019 10:49 AM
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I was a big FMP fan since the first series, watched fumoffu and 2nd Raid multiple times, and FMP Sigma is in my top 10 list...
That said, i was putting FMP IV on hold after episode 4, and the reason precisely is because i cant bear to watch Nami died again, which makes me frustrated long ago when i read Sigma...
Today i finally watch the episode and as i expected it hit me hard...

What a great episode TT_TT
Sad and awesome at the same time...
Sep 7, 2019 4:23 AM

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I wonder what the hell is up with those recap first halves, some episodes ago there already was one now again. I prefer a seperate ova to recap this stuff not in the middle of the episode


Dammit they killed Nami, I quite liked her...Looks like Sagara is going sicko mode again

Nov 15, 2019 12:54 AM

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RIP S4 best girl. This season is pretty tense.
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Worst episode ever they made a great character. I always chose Tessa over Chidori but Nami was the greatest, they just spoiled everything with her death, they shouldn't just make such a character which beats all main heroines and then just get rid of her ...
Apr 4, 2020 6:28 PM
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Strong episode, I feel so bad for Nami :( I didn't think they will kill her like that
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Well, if we are here because of nitpicking, I am strongly offense by M4 having AK safety.

That was my first thought, but actually Kurama was using an AK (Galil ACE? Still, the markings were in Russian).
The fight scenes in this series are never realistic, if anyone is looking for that in anime, I feel sorry for you.
Nevertheless a powerful episode.
Dec 8, 2020 12:57 PM

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sad how nami was killed like that...
Feb 25, 2021 5:29 PM

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Its that type of episode that I can't really say I love nor hate, my heart aches everytime I think about her death as she was such a great character(best girl) and her death was...brutal and sudden, but that fighting with kurama was so intense and great, sousuke character is strong and unique as always.
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Oh man, I didn't expect Nami to die just like that. I really thought Lemon would arrive just in time to save her. A fine meat has been wasted...

That was a very nice and bloody gun fight in the end. They tried to outplay each other to the max.
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Good episode, all in all. The last fight sequence was cool. I’m a bit confused about Sousuke having left Mithril apparently? Or are they MIA? Those last episodes kind of felt a little dragged out with how much story I feel is still coming. I’m really missing Chidori too, I hope she gets a bit screen time next episode, I’m really interested in what her last three months were like.
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Having read the novel...I was sad before the "event" even happened... Her death took me weeks to get through back when the novel was translated...
I still do prefer Chidori in a lot of ways...but that was heart wrenching...


I know exactly how you feel, I'm writing a fic where a character gets killed, and her death is the whole point of the story so there's no avoiding it. It tore me up for months, it was like losing a family member or a lover. I finally rejoin the human race, I happily discover FMP IV, and they kill Nami and I'm back in mourning.

Still, a great episode, regardless of what the whiney nitpicker says in this forum.
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I know exactly how you feel, I'm writing a fic where a character gets killed, and her death is the whole point of the story so there's no avoiding it. It tore me up for months, it was like losing a family member or a lover. I finally rejoin the human race, I happily discover FMP IV, and they kill Nami and I'm back in mourning.

Still, a great episode, regardless of what the whiney nitpicker says in this forum.

Often in a novel you get even more emotionally attached to a character, so it hits hard... Welcome back to those who've left humanity. xD Nice fumoffu avatar btw.
Sep 13, 2022 8:21 PM

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Man this was just pff… I had grown attached to Nami so fast and she dies without warning, what Sousuke must be feeling, it's heartbreaking and depressing because of what happened in the last 3 months.



That by the way the soundtrack was brutal I loved it
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Dec 24, 2022 5:40 PM

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I knew she was a goner from the moment of her introduction. Still terrible :'( I didn't expect Lemon to actually have feelings for her.

The police chief got off too easy. And the way Kurama got taken down was a little anticlimactic as well, I thought. The way Sousuke kicked away that grenade was hilarious!

But another great arc & conclusion. Let's keep it up!
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Dec 25, 2022 4:30 PM

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Damn, I was actually looking forward to the eventual love triangle drama when Nami finds out that Sousuke has Kaname but unfortunately that didn't happen. What I got is even worse because she ended up dying :(
Jan 8, 2024 6:22 AM

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No way they killed Nami off like that.

I hate when shows introduce great characters only to kill them off shortly after.

I guess there was no place in the story for a 3rd whispered girl in his harem.

This was intense. The action was great. The way they move just feels so much better than when they are shooting in other anime. Almost like John Wick compared to generic shooters. I honestly love this season way more than I ever expected.

PS: Nearly missed the after credit scene. Wraith seems to have recovered the Arbalests memory core or something. Sagara is going to get an upgrade to take on Tessas brother.
Comander-07Jan 8, 2024 6:36 AM
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It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica.
Feb 16, 2024 7:12 AM
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First time I cried during this series. Wowser. I'm heavily enjoying this season and don't understand why people crap on it so much.

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